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The debate about the Debate - a counterpoint on Fox PDF Print E-mail
Netroots or nutroots - it's not the medium, it's the message, stupid.

The explosion of outrage among the netroots over the Nevada Democratic Party’s decision to use Fox as the network for the August caucus debate shows how badly they understand the politics of the West.  So at the risk of offering myself up for the flames of that same outrage, I have a simple response: the NVDems have it exactly right. 

By Tom Gallagher
02/26/07

 

Let me start with a bit of bona fides.  I was the 2004 Democratic nominee for Congress in Nevada’s 3rd Congressional District.  Our campaign team worked incredibly hard, raised and spent about $2.4 million, and came up short.  The voters sent back to Washington an incumbent who had done nothing but recite mindless platitudes and hide from the press while his campaign flooded the District with false and ugly ads and mailers.  They did it on TV, on radio, in mailboxes.  And they weren’t shy about where.  ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, Howard Stern – pick your poison, they made sure it was everywhere.

 

Two years later in 2006 we worked our tails off to elect Tessa Hafen in that same 3rd District.  Bluntly, she did a hell of a lot better than we did, but still lost - just barely - by 3,800 votes in another nasty campaign that almost matched the lows of 2004 in ugliness.  I have analyzed that race in earlier columns.

 

My point simply is this.  In Nevada, and throughout most of the West, Democrats don’t win by preaching to the choir.  No matter how hard you work, no matter how much money you raise, and no matter how fanatic the netroots may be - you don’t win unless you reach beyond the true-believers.

 

And that is precisely what the NVDems are trying to do.  Frankly, my first reaction when I heard about the Fox broadcast plan was probably the same as those who are still outraged – what the devil are we doing?  But when the rest of my brain kicked in, seconds later, I concluded: right on – go for it!

 

I have been a Democrat for more years than some of the protesters have been alive.  I was in DC as a young Senate staffer when Nixon was bugging phones and orchestrating dirty tricks with Don Segretti.  I was in Miami in 1972 at the Democratic convention that sent McGovern out to joust with windmills.  I watched my Republican law partner become Ronald Reagan’s attorney general in 1980.  I celebrated in 1992 when Bill Clinton finally got it right in building a coalition that recaptured the White House.  I frothed at the mouth in 2000 when Florida was bungled and stolen from Al Gore.  And I shared the same candidate’s podium with John Kerry in the Thomas and Mack Arena in Las Vegas before 13,000 people in 2004.  I know what it’s like to win, and I sure as hell know what it’s like to lose.

 

I know there are many Democrats that believe that George Bush has made such a mess that whoever the Democrats nominate in 2008 should win.  Maybe.  But the bottom line is that the only way Democrats can sustain the gains achieved in 2006 and add to them in 2008 is to win in the West.  To do that, we need to reach people who may never have heard a Democrat speak, or if they have, it has only been filtered through the rhetoric of the right.  Fox is what it is, and their “expert analysis” will be the same, whether the debate is on their network or someone else’s.  But I for one would rather have our candidates’ own messages out there in their own words on Fox and not just leave it to their talking heads.
 

So to those who are apoplectic about the Fox decision, I say this: if you haven’t put your own butt on the line and run for office, if you haven’t had your name and reputation out there for the attack dogs and mudslingers to slander – take a deep breath.  Is network purity more important or is winning the West?
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written by d'Oh!, February 26, 2007
true enough that the Fox troglodytes will bash the Dems no matter what...it just rankles to even associate with the Fox network.
Wrong Conclusion!
written by Johnathan L. Abbinett, February 26, 2007
Tom, you're first instinct was correct - the reality is the NSDP should be going after the Non-Partisan voters who can be persuaded to "Vote Blue" as well as the Independents and Greens - NOT the Republicans!

Look at the statistics - go to "MyDD" and read the very well researched article by Chris Bowers titled "On Reachable Voters and Reaching the Netroots" - he lays it out factually and beautifully!
they don\'t watch fox because they\'re r
written by Ken, February 26, 2007
They watch fox because they don't know any better. Fox is home of football, the simpsons, family guy, american dad, and ironically their logo also festoons a 24 hour right wing "news" channel. It's as much brand loyalty as anything else for these folks, most of whom I suspect identify as "non-partisan" and most of whom wouldn't know there was a debate on if they had to change the channel to see it. The real elephant in the room as I see it is not that the debate will be on fox, but that there will be 23 democrats on stage all vying for two minutes of camera time. That's not a debate. That's a circus.
Why Nevada Will Stay Red
written by BigRedNevada, February 26, 2007
you guys deserve to lose in 2008. what an idiotic thing to get furious about. your own supporters are ridiculous.
In a Primary????
written by BlueLongIsland, February 26, 2007
Are there five Democrats in that gambling, brothel-ridden state of yours that watch FOX? Faux News is the unofficial spokesperson for the right-wing, paid for by their commercial advertisers who have commercials there - PRECISELY BECAUSE PEOPLE WATCH THE NETWORK.

Please don't give them any additional viewers!

You missed the boat - it's not that anybody doesnt talk to people on the right; it's that focks makes money on people watching their network.
NDSP is a fish rotting from the head.
written by texex, February 26, 2007
This is all about brokers fees and kickbacks from Fox to the highest levels of Democrats involved in Nevada politics and their cronies. I would suspect that the legitimate networks turned down the demands for the kickbacks leaving only Fox.

At the last local party meeting here in Douglas County we were already being told to get ready to give heavily to support the debate and I suspect it is the same across the state.

Where is the money going? Who's getting the money?

The Nevada Democratic Party is a fish rotting from the head.
Lets Have the Debate And See What Happen
written by Rick, February 28, 2007
I was actually excited about the debate in Reno. Now I am losing interest. We probably will blow this election like all the others by not reaching out to conservatives and moderates and bickering amongst ourselves. Lets do what we have done in the past and give the Republicans another victory. Even Democrats have the option of voting for a Republican. The debate might turn out fine, anyone think of that?

Harry Reid put this whole caucus togethor because of his political status. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. If things don't work out, then we can make some changes in the state party.

Democrats can certainly protest. Seems like the more division there is, the less interest I have in supporting the Party and its candidates. Democrats end up voting for Republicans in this state, lets turn that around this year. All this does is bring back bad feelings of how we have handled things in the past.

If Fox News is biased in the debate and how they conduct themselves, lets sieze upon that as an issue. Lets leave it up to the candidates whether they want to participate. If you don't like the idea, tell your candidate not to come.

Lets see what happens.
NSDP Executive Board member, Washoe Coun
written by Chris Wicker, March 01, 2007
Tom has it right. The outrage is based primarily on a desire to punish FOX or deny them an opportunity. While FOX disgusts me for their unabashed bias, we can look at it as an opportunity for Democrats to reach out. The NSDP will control the content during the event sufficiently to be sure our candidates are not interfered with.

The actual potential for harm is really coming from those that are trying so hard to bash the decision, deride the NSDP leaders and criticize Senator Reid, such as Mr. Zahara, not the decision itself.

We can continue to flagellate ourselves or take this opportunity to reach out. While criticism is legitimate, it is craziness to promote a boycott of the event or make up the motives and intent of the people involved. Let's get on with it and make it a success.
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written by Douglas Dem, March 01, 2007
Texex wrote that "at the last local party meeting here in Douglas County" we were told that we needed to contribute to this debate.
I can attest that "Texex" (I know who you are)has not attended a meeting of the Douglas County Democratic Central Committee in over four months.

This posting is erroneous and irresponsible.This type of rhetoric is doing nothing other that to foment dissension within the party.

If the Democratic Party is going to come together, this type of misinforamtion needs to stop!
TO HELL WITH MOVE-ON ON THIS ONE
written by kickboxermomma, March 05, 2007
Look I took their little survey and I voted no. This is a non-issue. I agree with you Tom.I know a number of Move-on members who attempted to inquire and accidentally voted. But since the vote was in place nothing can be done. What bothers me is there is no way to address this to Move-on by e-mail. It also angers me being dictated to by people who don't live in my state.I have co-ordinated numerous actions for Move-on especially regarding the war. As far as the statistics from MYDD. they are so suspect they are not verifiable and just looking at them in an objective way they do not make any sense forthe state of Nevada. The Number 1 news station in Las Vegas was the Spanish speaking station. Where is it listed? It's certainly not at number one. If you are a Democrat get active get involved.I just see the same faces and I'm relatively new in the Democratic party Committee politics.
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written by kive weinstein, March 07, 2007
pure nonsense. Since you are waving your bonafides around, I'll do the same. My first Presidential vote was for Adlai Stevenson. I have been a Demcratic worker in Philadelphia, Chicago, (under Mayor Daley!) and New Jersey, where I ran and won for city council in Englewood, NJ. The first rule in politics is secure your base. There is no Dem. base on Fox. There is on MSNBC and CNN. To ignore THIS base is plain stupid.
The numbers, if you want facts, belie the idea that Fox will reach VAST numbers of new voters.
Here are the cable ratings from Nielsen for Tuesday of this past week. The biggest show on Fox is O'Reilly, with 2,351 million viewers nationwide.

Nevada has 2,414,000 people out of 296,400,000 nationwide, or 8/10th of 1 %. That means there are roughly 18,000 O'Reilly viewers in Nevada.

MSNBC, Olbermann on the same day had 692,000 viewers, which translates to 5,536 viewers in Nevada, or 12,464 LESS viewers than O'Reilly.

In Washoe county, with 390,000 people, or 16% of the state, this translates into 1,994 more people watching Fox than MSNBC.

For the sake of reaching these 1994 viewers on Fox, the state party has brought on a firestorm among the volunteers here in Washoe County.

This decision will cripple the 2008 election day effort in our county based on what I am hearing from many of the people who worked in the last 2 elections..

Our Senator Reid says nothing about this, and leaves the defense of this decision to the local people who probably had no say in it.
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written by texex, March 07, 2007
To: To hell with move on on this one aka JAO and BO: I still get and read the minutes to the meetings. But bet your fat ass I'll be there from now on!
The debate about the debate
written by Marie Cordoba, March 09, 2007
we can't trust Fox of became fair and balance, they are in bed with the rigth wing and are this administration biggest cheerleaders. They choose to be what they are, so we can't spect a change now.
FOX: IT ISN\'T THAT SIMPLE
written by Sean Kerr, March 09, 2007
TO SUPPORT FOX IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM IS TO PERPETRATE FRAUD: I am an independent citizen who'se father used to live in Reno, so forgive me for weighing in. But this is too important to stay silent. The following is my observation of the Fox debacle:

Here is an excellent reason why FOX should be boycotted: currently fraud and disinformation is being perpetrated in Nevada. On the Nevada State Democratic Party website, party chairman Tom Collins refers to the collective agreement of all Western states to allow the FOX organization to host the debate. He referred to www.westerndemocrat.com. On that site, Emmett OConnell claims that a person named ғDullard Marsh is ԓdoing a good job of explaining the debate controversy. PROBLEM: Dullard Marsh is really a biased and blatant smear-blog called ԓDullard Mush www.dullardmush.com - to the unsuspecting, one would think that a Mr. Marsh makes a reasonable point. In fact, upon visiting the Dullard MUSH site, it is obviously distorting information and smearing candidates. This is why citizens in favor of government for the people and by the people are sick of entities such as FOX who manipulate people and distort the truth. No one is afraid of Journalists, and reasonable people are able to tell whether a journalist is fair. But even incredibly smart people can be conned by distortion and brain washing which is blatantly practiced by the FOX organization; That even smart people can be conned is clearly demonstrated by former FBI agent Robert Hannsen currently in prison for betraying our country by selling secrets to the Russians. He conned the FBI for years. Any doubters out there are free to watch the excellent documentary ԓOutfoxed which exposes the mass manipulations for what they are: fraud. Or sit back and watch what is happening already in Nevada.

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